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Conversations with a Mystic, Part 3: Michael Clark, Ph.D. talks with Teresa Silverthorn

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Conversations with a Mystic, Part 3: Michael Clark, Ph.D. talks with Teresa Silverthorn

Copyright © Michael Clark and Teresa Silverthorn 2009. All rights reserved.

Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 4

The following took place January 28-February 11, 2009.

Michael Clark: Teresa, thank you once again for agreeing to speak with me at earthpages.org.

This time I’d like to touch on the topic of extraterrestrials. And perhaps we could take a look at the related area of UFOs.

But before we begin, we really should tell our readers that we’ve agreed to make this conversation a little bit different.

Perhaps you could say what’s different this time…

Teresa Silverthorn: Hello again, Dr. Clark.  Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain mysticism via this important dialogue.  I have been able to clarify, perhaps, a few things about mysticism that may have been misunderstood beforehand.  But, to answer your question, I would like the readers to understand, that at this point, I would like to afford Dr. Clark the same opportunity, and also begin a new dialogue on various vital subjects that should be examined.

Dr. Clark, I have noticed on your website, that you appear to be a very broad-minded individual, according to the articles you have shared on Earthpages.org.  I find it refreshing, that although you have a heavy background in religion, specifically Christianity, you seem to have a desire to understand not only other religions and faiths, but areas which most Christians normally avoid.  Such as: remote viewing, extraterrestrial life, PSI, ufology, sychronicity, and other metaphysical subjects that are both extremely popular and becoming widely accepted throughout the world.

I think the readers of this dialogue, would be fascinated to hear how you came to have these interests, whether you have found any validity in any of them, and if your Christian training has allowed this information to merge into your personal viewpoints, therefore enhancing your faith walk.

Would you care to elaborate on the above observations?

Michael Clark: Whoa! Teresa. What you’ve asked is for me to write my autobiography! Could you please break that down a bit? In all honesty I work best with short questions and answers. As a volunteer at allexperts.com I typically wince when I see long and involved questions. Not to say that your question is anything less than excellent. But please… where would you like me to begin?

Teresa Silverthorn: Begin with honesty, I suppose.  These are fair questions, but also important ones.  How do you coincide your Christian background with your study of the aforementioned metaphysical subjects?  As I stated, in my 30 years working for ministries, I know that these topics are considered taboo by every church I worked for. And, giving credence to other religions, was also not common, whatsoever.

Start there?

Michael Clark: Yes, thank you. That helps.

Well Teresa, they say that mystics are supposed to be wise. And your question hit me something like a bowling ball. 10-pin strike for sure!

Okay, humor aside, I’ve had a bit of time to mull over your excellent question.

I think the best place to start is childhood. Looking back I can say that God gave me an inquisitive mind. Although baptized in the Anglican Church of Canada, I never really went to church as a kid, other than the obligatory weddings and funerals.

But I was curious. Very curious. I recall spinning around in the living room as a child to purposely make myself dizzy to study the effects of disequilibrium. I was fascinated by the fact that the apparently solid world of our living room could appear in such an irregular, almost fluidic way.

Luckily I grew out of this and began to ponder the night summer sky at Georgian Bay, where in the 1960s almost no light pollution could be seen. Infinity… what is it? I remember grappling with that as a child. I mean, how can something just go on and on and on and on…

Getting the picture?

I began life with a combination of spiritual, scientific and philosophical roots. And I suppose I continue to develop those God-given attributes to this very day.

Teresa Silverthorn: I do have quite a bit of experience as a mystic, but I’m only hoping that I am wise.  I think wisdom is measured by how those experiences, and the information gained by them, is processed, and ultimately shared.

But, thank you for the compliment.  I’m honored that someone of your intellect even remotely considers me wise….

After reading your response, I began to wonder about other people who have had a more intense religious background than yourself, and whether they will ever have the common sense approach to these topics, that you have.

Even though you have obtained your P.h.d. in Religion, you have managed to keep a door open to many mysteries which, specifically, Christianity denounces as false and/or misleading.  I am surprised by these viewpoints, as they tend to directly contradict many of the teachings of the Bible.

Such as extraterrestrial life, for instance. While the Protestants seem to be dismissing the existence of other worlds altogether,  the Vatican released a statement to the press several years ago, confirming the probable existence of extraterrestrials.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/14/news/vat.php

Dr. Clark, coming from your broadminded perspective, how do you feel about this topic?  Do you agree with the Vatican, considering that you are a Roman Catholic?

Michael Clark: Well, Teresa, I think one of the great strengths of Catholicism is its willingness to look at the Bible in an intelligent manner. Not everyone is aware that Catholics don’t read the Bible as a scientific but, instead, as a moral and theological work.

So many folks seem to roundly criticize “Christianity” or “The Church” without taking into account important differences that exist among Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Fundamentalist and other denominations.

As a confirmed Catholic (2001), I don’t feel it’s my calling to vigorously defend the current state of Catholicism. There are aspects that I love, such as partaking in the Eucharist, and others that I feel could be further developed.

As for the topic of extraterrestrials, well, I thought I’d be asking you about that! And hopefully I can. But to answer your question, yes, I believe that extraterrestrials and extraordinary kinds of interstellar craft could exist. But I’ve never seen an extraterrestrial or UFO, so this hypothesis remains just that–an hypothesis.

Teresa Silverthorn: So, therefore, you believe they could exist.  But, since you’ve had no personal experience in that area, you do not know they exist. (And, thank you for clarifying that Catholicism looks at the Bible as merely a theological work, but I feel there are some eluded truths within it).

This topic is absolutely the most confounding I’ve ever encountered.. It amazes me how there are some people who still, to this day, object to the consideration that there could be another civilization beyond Planet Earth.

For instance, I have never seen, with my own eyes, the Tongan Trench.  But, to say that there is no possibility of life in the depths of the Pacific Ocean would be considered naive.  Honestly, there are times I am embarassed by my fellow human beings when they say such things.

But, I digress.

Dr. Clark, there is currently a theory that is becoming more and more common among the intellectual community. The theory is suggesting that humanity was more than likely created by an alien race. Science has begun studies and experimentation with dna cloning, and such, and the conjecture has been that this is perhaps, how we were created.

Cloning.

Does this not concur with the book of Genesis, that we were created in the image of our creators?  Meaning, the dna of an alien race was used as a “pattern” for creation.  Therefore, we hold many of the same characteristics, but have merely adapted to this planet, as many have had to adapt to their own.

Your thoughts?

Michael Clark: Well, actually I said I’ve never seen an extraterrestrial or UFO. But as a prayerful person I have, from time to time, discerned unconventional presences that certainly didn’t feel like the Holy Spirit. And I’ve wondered… could it be?

There’s also the possibility that demonic forces want people to believe in extraterrestrials for some nefarious reason.

So as a scientifically minded person I need hard proof. And that means seeing with the conventional senses.

Now as for the second part of your question, I do think it’s possible that we’ve been ‘seeded,’ as it were. I know this sounds way out there for most people. But when you consider the scope of the universe and our littleness within it, why is it such a strange hypothesis?

However, I don’t think this is necessarily what the Book of Genesis is talking about because if extraterrestrials did seed the Earth, God would have created those extraterrestrials in the first place.

The extraterrestrials would not be equal to God.

And when we read that mankind is created in God’s image, I feel that this has some deep, mysterious meaning and should probably not be taken too literally-as with much of the Bible.

A Christian Scientist and I once talked about this “Man in His image” idea. I can’t remember exactly what she said but her view had something to do with mankind’s various attributes being a reflection of the fullness of God. It wasn’t a literal but a symbolic interpretation. And that’s how I tend to look at this aspect of the Bible, perhaps not in exactly the same way as the Christian Scientists… but interpretively.

Teresa Silverthorn: Most people, when asked who created humanity say:

God.

Therefore, if extraterrestrials created humanity, it appears that they would be God.

It’s amazing that after a person accepts that we were created by an alien race, and that humanity has been unknowingly calling  them God,  they immediately ask:

Then who created extraterrestrials?

I look at is this way.  It’s a big step to simply accept that extraterrestrials exist, that we were created by them, and that we have been calling them God for thousands of thousands of years.  As far as who created them?

We’ll leave that to the next generation.

And, I disagree about Genesis.  I think it does elude to extraterrestrials, and so do many other people.  And, I don’t think demonic forces are concerned with extraterrestrials, at all.

Michael Clark: Yes well, I said the possibility of demonic forces. After saying that I thought of another prospect-some extraterrestrials are real and others might be deceptions or misinterpretations.

I say this because, as a Christian, I believe that evil has power to influence people. I’d also say that some people go through a process of interpretation after having had an unconventional experience.

As for how to interpret the Bible, this raises some worthwhile questions that we might like to look at in future conversations. But right now I’d like to hear more about your views on extraterrestrials.

As a mystic, what do you know?

Teresa Silverthorn: I don’t think that Christians are the only ones that believe evil has power to influence people.  But, in the spirit of the current topic, extraterrestrials are the last thing to be concerned about when fearing evil influence.

If one has an inclination to fear, fear humans. There’s much more proof available of their destruction, than of any demon or extraterrestrial.

Yes, some extraterrestrials are deceptions.  Take every image you’ve seen in films and discard it, in that case.  Every science fiction magazine, conspiracy book and television series depicts misinterpretations of our creators.

Now, start over.

Can you do that?

Michael Clark: So what are extraterrestrials trying to tell us?

Some say that our invention of the atomic bomb caught their attention.

Apparently the blasts sent ripples through space-time that are messing things up in ways we can hardly understand. Almost like a toddler with a grenade in its hands. Concerned parents are going to say STOP! and do everything they can to take it away from the child.

Do you agree with this theory?

Teresa Silverthorn: The atom bomb came way after we initially caught their attention.  We’ve caught their attention since the beginning of time.  They’ve been here since we were created.

They have many ways of being here, tho.

Which, is probably why there is so much controversy over their existence to begin with.  You must remember that these visitors have their own form of existence, which doesn’t coincide with our own.

Which, again, is quite annoying to those people who are desperately trying to share this information with others.

Very sad.

Like trying to explain a cloud to a blind man, who doesn’t even believe there’s a sky.

Michael Clark: Are you talking about inter-dimensional beings?

This is something I’ve considered over the years. Initially I assumed these beings, if they existed, would not have physical bodies as we know them.

But it seems that some could have physical bodies and be able to project their thoughts through space and time.

An interesting twist to this is the notion that UFOs (that is, highly advanced spacecraft) act as a kind of amplifier to embodied extraterrestrials’ thoughts. In other words, extraterrestrials just think “I want to go to Earth” and their vehicle amplifies that, enabling them to create and travel through space-time corridors.

We’ve seen similar ideas in Star Trek and other science fiction books, TV shows and movies.

But could this be real?

Teresa Silverthorn: Well, Dr. Clark, they do exist.

Interdimensionally, or not. They are an amazing array of delightful individuals that will, someday, be allowed to share their knowledge, technology and stories with everyone – publicly.

Until both my government, and yours, introduces our worlds to each other, they will politely remain as non-visual as possible.

Michael Clark: Teresa, this brings me to my next and perhaps final question.

A lot of folks are talking about “acclimatization.” They see sci-fi themes as a kind of acculturation of the human race to the concept and, in fact, subtle presence of extraterrestrial life.

You may have heard of this. If I’ve got it right, the idea is that extraterrestrials psychically influence some creative individuals to come up with seemingly far out themes in literature, TV, movies and even advertising.

Does this notion of acclimatization fit in with what you are saying?

Teresa Silverthorn: I suppose everyone must have time to accept that we aren’t the only living things in the universe, as we have, perhaps, been led to believe since childhood.  I’m sure our parents meant well when they told us that there was no such thing as ghosts, aliens, or anything else that might have frightened us.  And, in the meantime, the media will continue to depict such things in a sensational manner, in order to gain profit from  both our fears, and our ignorance.

Certainly, there is information for those who are willing to accept it, and merely “connect the dots” in order to infuse a higher understanding. But, there are, unfortunately, still those among us who only see dots, and have no willingness to see the bridges between them.

Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 4

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Visit Teresa Silverthorn’s website, Confessions of a Mystic: True Stories

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6 thoughts on “Conversations with a Mystic, Part 3: Michael Clark, Ph.D. talks with Teresa Silverthorn

  1. Pingback: I Didn’t Believe It Would Happen « Confessions of a Mystic

  2. Teresa, I really liked this post. Thanks for the info you have. Awesome work

    Part I: It seems to me that Christians want to keep there “religion status” of believing in God, AND believing in extraterrestrials, but to me that is double standards.
    How can Christians go out and preach one thing, yet believe also in something else?
    It appears to me that when something develops that they want to do, they say it’s ok and will preach that it’s ok, God wants it. Example: When I was a kid, the churches would preach as they do to day to give all your money to “God” basically, that it’s ok to be poor, that God has plans for you. But now that preachers are banking and I mean really banking on other peoples money, they are now preaching that it’s ok to be rich, that “God” wants us to be rich.
    I know I got a little side tracked, but I wanted to prove my point. Now that extraterrestrials/UFO’s/Ghosts are coming more into play and more and more Christians are now believing in them, They are finding things in the bible, twisting things to say it’s ok…I think Religion is just a big joke, especially the Christian and Catholic religions.
    Please feel free to voice your opinion also at
    http://www.SkepticalBelefs.com

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  3. Well, there is good in these forms of worship, but, admittedly some room for improvement…

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  4. Interesting……I beleive there are alot of things that are going on that people are not made aware or they are hidden from the public and then there are those that mock, what does not fit the normal…..I am very interesting in other life and hauntings and mediums….I like to read Sylvia Brown’s books.

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  5. I find your debate interesting. I won’t comment on all points. I’m a man of few words. I do believe The Bible in it’s entirety. There is much symbolism and there is much truth that is derived from considering the available truth and deducing truths not readily apparent. Now I want to comment on ‘How we are made in the image og God’. (Gen.1:26)- God said, let us make man in our image……/ God, being Spirit, gave man a spirit. (1 Thess. 5:23– Body, soul & spirit) Animals have a soul, their mind, that gives them the mentality to exist as God determined. Man, with the added mentality of a spirit, was given higher intellect and a God conciousness. Having a spirit and a conciousness of God, we are held responsible to seek God and conform to his will as best we can, according to our knowlede and understanding. As we respond to God, we are drawn closer to Him by means of His Holy Spirit guidance. Being imperfect, God is merciful & forgiving as God finds us faithful to revealed truth.
    As far as extraterrestrials is concerned, interesting to think about, but no place in the Bible suggests othher physical beings. But, God is eternal and doesn’t let us in on everything He does, but should not concern us, beyond curiosity. The Bible teaches us to seek first the Kingdom of God (Jesus Kingdom on earth, the spiritual body of Christ). (Prov.9:10)- The beginning of wisdom is fear of the Lord.

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  6. thank you, Con, for your insights. I find this statement blatantly false:

    “no place in the Bible suggests othher physical beings”

    perhaps you read a different Bible from the ones I’ve seen. Aside from ‘angels’ there are a great many entities other than men mentioned in the bible which might be considered extraterrestial.

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